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		<title>Comment on Agricultural Bank Offers CFPA Microfinance RMB 200 Million Wholesale Loan by Jonathon</title>
		<link>http://www.ironricebowl.org/2009/10/20/agricultural-bank-of-china-offers-cfpa-microfinance-200-million-yuan-wholesale/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 01:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Yam Ki

I am not sure if you are still interested in this topic, but if so, I read a great article about microfinance in China today  which attempts to summarise the issues.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2010/05/13/the-untapped-chinese-market.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2010/05/13/the-untapped-chinese-market.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Yam Ki</p>
<p>I am not sure if you are still interested in this topic, but if so, I read a great article about microfinance in China today  which attempts to summarise the issues.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2010/05/13/the-untapped-chinese-market.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2010/05/13/the-untapped-chinese-market.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on With Schlein, Accion Signals Business Focus by Peter Fang</title>
		<link>http://www.ironricebowl.org/2009/09/13/with-schlein-accion-signals-business-focus/comment-page-1/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 22:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yam Ki...  I admire your dedication to the cause.

I am interested in starting a non profit type of microcredit operation in western part of China.  Would like to talk to you if possible.  I am starting from stand still mode and need a lot of help.  

Peter Fang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yam Ki&#8230;  I admire your dedication to the cause.</p>
<p>I am interested in starting a non profit type of microcredit operation in western part of China.  Would like to talk to you if possible.  I am starting from stand still mode and need a lot of help.  </p>
<p>Peter Fang</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recent Microfinance Activity in China-Grameen Bank, SKS, and HSBC by Dan Feldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a blog post titled &quot;Advocating Economic Restructuring Would Help Paul Krugman Close the Chinese Disconnect&quot; I argue that Krugman poses a strong argument for why China must raise the value of its currency to a reasonable level, but he fails to address the serious challenges facing China&#039;s economy and society.

China must first expand its domestic consumption, and to do this it must liberalize its financial system, in particular it must liberalize rural microfinance.  Only after China liberalizes and increases the income of the 700 million plus rural residents can it afford to appreciate the yuan aggressively.

Unfortunately I argue that China will unlikely liberalize rural finance due to political reasons.  And hence it will only continue to appreciate the yuan slowly at a rate of about 5 to 6% a year.  This rate of appreciation will be too slow to help the world economy to rebalance and recover, meaning the global economy will remain weak for a long time.

You can read the post here: http://www.chinamanufacturingblog.com/2009/10/advocating-economic-restructuring-would.html

Because I am not an expert in microfinance I would really appreciate the comments of you all.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a blog post titled &#8220;Advocating Economic Restructuring Would Help Paul Krugman Close the Chinese Disconnect&#8221; I argue that Krugman poses a strong argument for why China must raise the value of its currency to a reasonable level, but he fails to address the serious challenges facing China&#8217;s economy and society.</p>
<p>China must first expand its domestic consumption, and to do this it must liberalize its financial system, in particular it must liberalize rural microfinance.  Only after China liberalizes and increases the income of the 700 million plus rural residents can it afford to appreciate the yuan aggressively.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I argue that China will unlikely liberalize rural finance due to political reasons.  And hence it will only continue to appreciate the yuan slowly at a rate of about 5 to 6% a year.  This rate of appreciation will be too slow to help the world economy to rebalance and recover, meaning the global economy will remain weak for a long time.</p>
<p>You can read the post here: <a href="http://www.chinamanufacturingblog.com/2009/10/advocating-economic-restructuring-would.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chinamanufacturingblog.com/2009/10/advocating-economic-restructuring-would.html</a></p>
<p>Because I am not an expert in microfinance I would really appreciate the comments of you all.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agricultural Bank Offers CFPA Microfinance RMB 200 Million Wholesale Loan by Yam Ki</title>
		<link>http://www.ironricebowl.org/2009/10/20/agricultural-bank-of-china-offers-cfpa-microfinance-200-million-yuan-wholesale/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Yam Ki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment Fiona!  You absolutely zoomed in right into the crucial issues for the banks.

You clearly have a clear understanding of how SCB ranked the CFPA credit facility for its own credit management system.  And you are exactly right that it should be classified as a loan without government support to be sure that internal control are conservative and tight.  

I am just curious about how ABC would rate their loan to CFPA.  The organization is not an SOE, but it does receive some support from the government.  I wonder how much influence the government exerted to help CFPA MF secure the loan from ABC, which in turn, may affect how ABC would rate the credit of the loan internally.  I wonder if it&#039;s coincidental that ABC signs this deal and the Liu Mingkang is talking about providing financial services to rural areas with no financial access.

I agree that the government guarantee support is a good idea in terms of making a win-win-win situation.  The questions I have are on implementation.  What&#039;s the best way to maximize benefits for the MFIs and its clients?  Should the government set up a guarantee pool that a;; MFIs can apply for (similar to some of the work that the WB, IFC, and UNCDP have done)?  Or should the government &#039;pick winners&#039; and back a few MFIs?  Or should the guarantees be for the borrowers instead of the MFIs, which can help some of the state owned commercial banks to downscale?  If the government guarantees the loans, then would commercial banks who lend to either the MFI or the client be able to put up the minimum required reserve capital for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment Fiona!  You absolutely zoomed in right into the crucial issues for the banks.</p>
<p>You clearly have a clear understanding of how SCB ranked the CFPA credit facility for its own credit management system.  And you are exactly right that it should be classified as a loan without government support to be sure that internal control are conservative and tight.  </p>
<p>I am just curious about how ABC would rate their loan to CFPA.  The organization is not an SOE, but it does receive some support from the government.  I wonder how much influence the government exerted to help CFPA MF secure the loan from ABC, which in turn, may affect how ABC would rate the credit of the loan internally.  I wonder if it&#8217;s coincidental that ABC signs this deal and the Liu Mingkang is talking about providing financial services to rural areas with no financial access.</p>
<p>I agree that the government guarantee support is a good idea in terms of making a win-win-win situation.  The questions I have are on implementation.  What&#8217;s the best way to maximize benefits for the MFIs and its clients?  Should the government set up a guarantee pool that a;; MFIs can apply for (similar to some of the work that the WB, IFC, and UNCDP have done)?  Or should the government &#8216;pick winners&#8217; and back a few MFIs?  Or should the guarantees be for the borrowers instead of the MFIs, which can help some of the state owned commercial banks to downscale?  If the government guarantees the loans, then would commercial banks who lend to either the MFI or the client be able to put up the minimum required reserve capital for it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agricultural Bank Offers CFPA Microfinance RMB 200 Million Wholesale Loan by Fiona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the loan is treated as government-backed loan, both sides would benefit (i.e. ABC reduce tie-up capital, and CFPA get higher credit limits and better covenants). However, this should not be the case from a risk management perspective. 

I believe implicit government support/guarantee is not recognised in most of the banks&#039; scorecards. For example, the facility with Standard Chartered Bank. This deal was rated with a finance &amp; leasing scorecard developed internally in the bank, and the rating was determined based on the financial &amp; qualitative factors of the microfinance unit of CFPA. No government support was recognised in the scorecard. People may think that is a little bit cruel, but internal control procedures should be complied anyways. 

In order to increase commercial fundings to CFPA and other NGO microfinance units, the government need to show more explicit guarantees and more support. This is a win-win-win situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the loan is treated as government-backed loan, both sides would benefit (i.e. ABC reduce tie-up capital, and CFPA get higher credit limits and better covenants). However, this should not be the case from a risk management perspective. </p>
<p>I believe implicit government support/guarantee is not recognised in most of the banks&#8217; scorecards. For example, the facility with Standard Chartered Bank. This deal was rated with a finance &amp; leasing scorecard developed internally in the bank, and the rating was determined based on the financial &amp; qualitative factors of the microfinance unit of CFPA. No government support was recognised in the scorecard. People may think that is a little bit cruel, but internal control procedures should be complied anyways. </p>
<p>In order to increase commercial fundings to CFPA and other NGO microfinance units, the government need to show more explicit guarantees and more support. This is a win-win-win situation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agricultural Bank Offers CFPA Microfinance RMB 200 Million Wholesale Loan by Hao Hao Report</title>
		<link>http://www.ironricebowl.org/2009/10/20/agricultural-bank-of-china-offers-cfpa-microfinance-200-million-yuan-wholesale/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Hao Hao Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Someone thinks this story is fantastic...&lt;/strong&gt;

This story was submitted to Hao Hao Report - a collection of China&#039;s best stories and blog posts. If you like this story, be sure to go vote for it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Someone thinks this story is fantastic&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>This story was submitted to Hao Hao Report &#8211; a collection of China&#8217;s best stories and blog posts. If you like this story, be sure to go vote for it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recent Microfinance Activity in China-Grameen Bank, SKS, and HSBC by Yam Ki</title>
		<link>http://www.ironricebowl.org/2009/10/15/recent-microfinance-activity-in-china-grameen-bank-sks-and-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Yam Ki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment Fiona.  You brought up many interesting points.

I agree that a mature and developed microfinance business need not be an NGO, but I disagree that it should not be an NGO.  There are many NGOs that make great MFIs, FINCA, Accion, and WWB come to mind.  There is also a growing movement of credit unions which are &#039;non-for-profit&#039; and whose goals are to maximize sustainable credit to its members and provide a venue for savings.  Of course, there are also &#039;for-profit&#039; credit unions as well, though I think profit-maximization isn&#039;t the goal of most credit unions.  

There is an inherent question of what the &#039;first priority&#039; of a microfinance business is.  While some may argue that profit is important, my person opinion is that MFIs should be &#039;profit optimizing,&#039; by which I mean that MFIs should, at minimum, seek break-even so they don&#039;t lose money and can stay in the business long term.  Beyond that, its goal isn&#039;t to maximize profit, but to maximize impact given no loss.  MFIs may make &#039;reasonable&#039; profits in the short to medium term which could be used to build up additional reserves for potential future shocks or to build up a &#039;war chest&#039; for future investments acquisitions.  All of this of course, depends on the MFI&#039;s mandate from its shareholders and its board.  

My concern with the maximizing profit directive is that MFIs will be left with two options: A) increase interest rates for borrowers or B) move up market into larger loans with lower servicing costs.   Unfortunately, option A minimizes the benefits for the client and options A and B minimizes the number of needy clients being served.

Of course, these are just opinions and they are, and have been, up for debate in the microfinance world for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment Fiona.  You brought up many interesting points.</p>
<p>I agree that a mature and developed microfinance business need not be an NGO, but I disagree that it should not be an NGO.  There are many NGOs that make great MFIs, FINCA, Accion, and WWB come to mind.  There is also a growing movement of credit unions which are &#8216;non-for-profit&#8217; and whose goals are to maximize sustainable credit to its members and provide a venue for savings.  Of course, there are also &#8216;for-profit&#8217; credit unions as well, though I think profit-maximization isn&#8217;t the goal of most credit unions.  </p>
<p>There is an inherent question of what the &#8216;first priority&#8217; of a microfinance business is.  While some may argue that profit is important, my person opinion is that MFIs should be &#8216;profit optimizing,&#8217; by which I mean that MFIs should, at minimum, seek break-even so they don&#8217;t lose money and can stay in the business long term.  Beyond that, its goal isn&#8217;t to maximize profit, but to maximize impact given no loss.  MFIs may make &#8216;reasonable&#8217; profits in the short to medium term which could be used to build up additional reserves for potential future shocks or to build up a &#8216;war chest&#8217; for future investments acquisitions.  All of this of course, depends on the MFI&#8217;s mandate from its shareholders and its board.  </p>
<p>My concern with the maximizing profit directive is that MFIs will be left with two options: A) increase interest rates for borrowers or B) move up market into larger loans with lower servicing costs.   Unfortunately, option A minimizes the benefits for the client and options A and B minimizes the number of needy clients being served.</p>
<p>Of course, these are just opinions and they are, and have been, up for debate in the microfinance world for a while.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recent Microfinance Activity in China-Grameen Bank, SKS, and HSBC by Fiona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please ignore the previous post.




A mature and developed microfinance business need not be and should not be NGO. Though social responsibility and community service is part of the mandate, making profit still stands as the first priority of a microfinance business. I think, the business model of a microfinance business is largely the same as that of a normal credit &amp; leasing business. The major difference which sets apart microfinance from normal credit &amp; leasing business is, more added service, involvement, and expertise is needed to earn a higher margin. For example, relationship managers of a microfinance business may provide supply chain assistance, coaching and closer monitoring to the counterparties. Otherwise, the default rates of such high risk, unsecured facilities will shoot to sky high. 

In this regards, PE funds (small size of course) could be a better solution for microfinance sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please ignore the previous post.</p>
<p>A mature and developed microfinance business need not be and should not be NGO. Though social responsibility and community service is part of the mandate, making profit still stands as the first priority of a microfinance business. I think, the business model of a microfinance business is largely the same as that of a normal credit &amp; leasing business. The major difference which sets apart microfinance from normal credit &amp; leasing business is, more added service, involvement, and expertise is needed to earn a higher margin. For example, relationship managers of a microfinance business may provide supply chain assistance, coaching and closer monitoring to the counterparties. Otherwise, the default rates of such high risk, unsecured facilities will shoot to sky high. </p>
<p>In this regards, PE funds (small size of course) could be a better solution for microfinance sector.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recent Microfinance Activity in China-Grameen Bank, SKS, and HSBC by Fiona</title>
		<link>http://www.ironricebowl.org/2009/10/15/recent-microfinance-activity-in-china-grameen-bank-sks-and-hsbc/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An mature and developed microfinance business need not be and should not be NGO. Though social responsibility and community service is part of the mandate, making profit still stands as the first priority of a microfinance business. I think, the business model of a microfinance business is largely the same as that of a normal credit &amp; leasing business. The major difference which sets apart microfinance from normal credit &amp; leasing business is, more added service, involvement, and expertise is needed to earn a higher margin. For example, relationship managers of a microfinance business may provide supply chain assistance, coaching and closer monitoring to the counterparties. Otherwise, the default rates of such high risk, unsecured facilities will shoot to sky high. 

In this regards, PE funds (small size of course) could be a better solution for microfinance sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An mature and developed microfinance business need not be and should not be NGO. Though social responsibility and community service is part of the mandate, making profit still stands as the first priority of a microfinance business. I think, the business model of a microfinance business is largely the same as that of a normal credit &amp; leasing business. The major difference which sets apart microfinance from normal credit &amp; leasing business is, more added service, involvement, and expertise is needed to earn a higher margin. For example, relationship managers of a microfinance business may provide supply chain assistance, coaching and closer monitoring to the counterparties. Otherwise, the default rates of such high risk, unsecured facilities will shoot to sky high. </p>
<p>In this regards, PE funds (small size of course) could be a better solution for microfinance sector.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recent Microfinance Activity in China-Grameen Bank, SKS, and HSBC by Daniela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wokai is a great microfinance non-profit for China which you should feature on your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wokai is a great microfinance non-profit for China which you should feature on your blog.</p>
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